Moderator: I am from the The rescue work, first with our friends asked him to say hello.
Du Cong: Hello everybody.
Moderator: Please briefly explain the guests today, Du Cong was born in 1967 in Hong Kong, 1982 when immigration to the United States, Columbia University, BA, MA Harvard University, who had worked for years on Wall Street in the United States, and later served as vice president of a bank in France, in 1998 the peak of his career resigned from the financial sector work , with a few friends set up the Chi Heng Foundation, has been committed to help AIDS orphans in charitable work in 2006, he was concerned about China's AIDS orphans due to the outstanding contributions by the International Junior Chamber of Commerce awarded the , the current assistance by the Chi Heng Foundation, AIDS orphans has reached more than eight thousand, totaled more than ten thousand. Chi Heng Foundation is currently in the field of AIDS orphans in China adhere to rescue the longest, largest and most significant effect of non-governmental charitable one of.
have just introduced a few questions which may be users, I am here to ask these users. The first problem is that there are a few shining words, the Harvard graduate is on Wall Street, before the bank has done vice president, can say that the dream of many young people, why do you dream of those young people to give up easily, and turned into an AIDS Orphan to work?
Du Cong: Actually, I was the ideal life plan with also with my former bank colleagues, hopes to do the work of the bank a few years, then retire early, and then do what they like to do. But when I go to AIDS in central China some of the hardest hit I saw turned into because of AIDS orphans, I think my plan of life may be interrupted. If my plan to go by, then I can retire when I can do the things they like to do, these children have grown up to be helpful to have lost opportunity, loss of opportunity to study. At that time they may be living to a large number of big cities, in the case of no education, there is great resentment against society, it may lead to social instability. I see kids at that time The dropout rate is so high, no one to care, but also a lack of love, so I think I should do this thing into the body. If the simple answer, I saw a number of AIDS orphans are in need of help so I made this decision. But I was do not think it is a difficult decision or a great.
Moderator: give up the high income is not too difficult for you to do?
Du Cong: not too difficult, and I earned money for so many years hh
Moderator: Do you have the concept of money, you?
Du Cong: enough is it, of course not enough to what people say, you make a lot of money is not easy for many people. For me, making money for so many years, doing a few years back to the community volunteers, not a big deal, so I do not think is a great or very great things sacrificed.
Moderator: This question is not asked to put the United States , last year I was a visiting scholar in the United States, I was in the house edge in the United States is the treatment of alcoholic small NGO, Berkeley students to give up a lot of schools a lot of time taking care of these alcoholic, the alcoholic looks rickety, they very happy to work there. In the United States a lot of very good people, and your selection of the Harvard Alumni President Obama, the other very good people into philanthropy public welfare benefit to help more people, and their concept is with us not the same. You grow in the United States and the educational experience for your current public welfare, what kind of spiritual help?
Du Cong: I lived in the U.S. for 13 years, has been in the United States from the high school undergraduate, University Research Institute. in the United States for 13 years which I learned many things, the main thing is not just skills, but many view of life, some of the things the community. I still feel that this matter not only for their own life should be and live, should have a larger ideal, or is the public's heart. this is also very important.
Moderator: just my numbers were mentioned in the introduction, said Dajia doubt, there are eight thousand children have been Duoming the Chi Heng Foundation, that eight thousand of this number is large, we find it very strange sounds, help so many children. For the Chi Heng is a step by step how to from the very beginning the development of such a large scale it? What experience can share with us?
Du Cong: from eight years ago when we helped the first semester of 127 children in a rural, and the second semester of change from one to three rural villages, a total of 392 children. then slowly walked to the now more than eight thousand, that growth is very fast. But before we are a province of a rural county, we are now eight thousand children in seven different provinces, a dozen counties, but also witnessed the growth of our work. At that time eight years ago we started this work, which is one of my goals in the shortest possible time to help the most children. so I hh
Moderator: do not do the kind of orphanage, but their own schools?
Du Cong: So we go to school or do not own this particular orphanage school, because a lot of time spent, and I do not think to take care of them locked up alone is a good things, we want the baby to try to integrate into the community, we provide student finance their education, but does not provide this education, this we can put them back into the local school there to study, so that children can use local resources education in the local.
Moderator: This is a short time you can have such a large scale development of the network, I think this is a more rational way, is not with you bankers have more to do with rational thinking relationship?
Du Cong: I think there should be charity work emotional side, there is no emotional side you can not do the job. but it also should have a rational side, and wisdom. We name the Chi Heng Foundation is to the meaning of wisdom into action, because we were established 98 years, 97 years time, when I went to travel in Tibet, when a number of tour guides just as we said a lot in Tibet and there are two instruments used, a representative of wisdom, a representative of compassion, the Tibetan Buddhist monks do have to be training these two qualities. I appreciate this, because if you do a monk is not only compassion cultivation of wisdom, you may help people who are very limited. anti- Oh, if you have a lot of wisdom, but do not have a compassionate heart, just to make money for their own benefit to the community may not contribute much. So the two have both, there is no mercy if only wise The heart can not help many people, have mercy AIDS orphans cry every day, holding the wisdom would not help them. so we hope to combine the two.
Moderator: There are just the background that the American Western experience, we who may be curious about other people suddenly gathered Yangpaihe AIDS orphans in rural areas, and I do listen to the first high-Yao Jie of China's AIDS relief old doctor, the doctor is very clear, we all know his name, when I interviewed him He joked with me, he called you Econg, then you first entered the rural areas a lot of trouble when it comes to jokes, crops, the crops do not know the ground, are very curious to see rural Nali. how do you adapt to local environment , so that local farmers trust you?
Du Cong: sincere very important, and I have this person I had a strong thirst for knowledge and curiosity.
Moderator: later to a clear understanding of the crop?
Du Cong: Yes. a lot of plants in rural areas, which is a kind of peanuts, which grow corn, I was not sure at that time, then slowly in rural areas can find out these.
Moderator: I'm more curious are those family members, because they may be closed by the average person, rarely communicate with the outside, he saw you a very Western, who came from the start there is a sense of distance, how to place their children's future some people really, when dying the kids over to you, there is a sense of responsibility and trust is how to build a?
Du Cong: In fact, it is not difficult, many patients at the time told me that I asked them What can help you? a lot of people say, you see I've been very happy. when they are alone may be in one place, many of their own relatives, but also the earliest dare not touch them, feel that AIDS is a highly contagious disease, or even dare not touch their healthy children, that their children be spread by infection. There are some dead for several days no one touch to help them bury their bodies. We are not afraid of these things, go shake hands with them talk chat with them on beds condolences to them, they feel the warmth of a great spiritual aspect. what further asked them to help you? they said in unison, I know I got ill, and I about to die, and I accept their fate , but I'm worried about my children, I have children, they are young or small, they feel their parents are not doing their duty. We say, if we can help your children, give them a reading opportunity, you be willing? they say if someone gives us children to study, I went to the peace of mind. Therefore, in addition to helping our work to help children infected in the dying, to the psychological aspects of parents great comfort. < br> Host: From your time to participate in relief to ten years have passed now, which look back in this decade or the biggest harvest the results of the Chi Heng What to do?
Du Cong: The biggest gain we see children grow up, but life has improved, this is the greatest satisfaction of our work. which I think we have eight thousand children which 600 are in high school, there are 400 universities, and then 60 a few have been university graduate, I think it is very proud of us. In addition to funding our work so many children, because I'm sure there are many children without the help of our college do not read. But this addition to monetary help is also are very encouraging results and good and they can go to college. we have money does not necessarily that they can go to college, so this is our pride is in addition to the child's pride, because they are very competitive and able to go to college , and this proportion is too high. see improvement in their lives, some of Read to Achieve, and among which there have graduated in good institutions, enterprises which, we now have 30 employees of which 7 are to fund our own college students, and now they graduated to come back to help our work, we saw eight years ago from an AIDS orphan and helpless child to a grown up now and then read the book to help us work, this is significant change, from one person to be helped to help others who can take the initiative.
Moderator: You just said that children are admitted to the University, I was doing when this special report has also been met with such children, AIDS orphans who are the most outstanding groups of kids, including a child will not speak his name, a word he gave me a deep impression, is a boy, was admitted to a graduate student, also went to Hong Kong took part in the Marathon game. I felt very scared a marathon, and we ordinary people are afraid to run, but he said that when the marathon is easy, I suddenly ran over. really very powerful, great perseverance.
Du Cong : And our family to give them the feeling that, in addition to funding they have an opportunity to study, and we want to achieve is the concept of human beings. Now, many have graduated, but was kind enough to keep in touch, regularly attend our events, there also volunteer to help us when the holiday, the Spring Festival Chinese New Year is also home to take the initiative to do something to help us send something, but are usually written e-mail contact with us, they have their own mailing lists and so on. but they have graduated, we have No interests, if we simply give them money institutions after they graduate they can ignore us, but they even told us to keep in touch after graduation to demonstrate the process we help them, they think there is a family feeling. They may have lost their parents care, but he had also a large family, many brothers and sisters with them the same experience. And I think this also proves that our work is very successful, so that they do no good in the voluntary cases, also took the initiative to contact us.
Moderator: In the past ten years which I have been tracking reports of the field of AIDS orphans, starting from 2002, this year has been the seventh years. I met with the first phase of these children ratio, these children also have a lot of changes, this is a good thing. From another perspective, the psychological state in which some children or their inner world, there are some that we outsiders can not understand the place. the entire community to HIV the course of the field of aid orphans there have been many organizations have a variety of agencies, will be some time before the very hot, with the decrease in heat of media attention, some of them may withdraw from many organizations, including a lot of money into Among the field to help AIDS orphans. In addition, we also found some of the more worrying things, a lot of money likely to flow into the upper areas of concern about AIDS orphans in the upper or middle, I mean is that the publicity might do some of the knowledge system of the building or Bangong Shi, the real needs of those children in terms of fact, from the community are still relatively scarce. When after many years of exposure to these kids when to go, I found the kids really need to get from his point of view, indeed from the entire community to give speaking is not enough. I found wisdom on this issue began to really be done to consider the real needs of these children may be the real relief the need to care about these kids not just the appearance of such a career. do you think intellectual line relief process, the child's needs are constantly changing, if we really care about children's needs, and that this need is constantly necessary to study and create a lot of way to adapt to changes in the child.
Du Cong: This is the point we are very proud of, in many policy areas is not issued when we have learned, as we may be able to stand comparing the work of front-line earlier found that regular visits to the village to contact with many children. Ten years ago the State Government not concerned about AIDS, in the negative state, we urge concerned about those patients. the government began to care about AIDS patients, we will appeal not only concerned about patients, but also their children, these AIDS orphans, in addition to care about our patients to their medication but also to help the children. Later, the Government Four Frees and One Care, do the work of school fees for children, we call not only control fees, management education, they have very serious psychological problems, we have to control psychological problems. Sunshine home they built orphanage, we mean that one should build the orphanage, the work should allocate resources to the community, so that children can grow in the community. We are coming step by step, and we drive a lot of policy work, is to stand comparing before. this point is that each institution should be maintained. because many bodies may put it to become relatively large, increasing the time it will ignore the bottom who want to help their decision-making with trying to help people people from becoming greater and greater. I insist, I learned from a person carries the package into the so-called AIDS villages have now grown to nine offices we have some 30 employees, I can work the middle of the administration do to others , but I do home visits to the front to see the child, the job I was indispensable.
Moderator: So you remember the many children's stories and things.
Du Cong: Yes, I have to be first at the front understand their situation, before we know the process of us to help him help this process is not actually a child.
Moderator: Is it also to supervise your staff in this process really go according to your rules do?
Du Cong: This is very important, like a big McDonald's restaurant group you are a large restaurant chain, among them the boss can not take care of trivial things, but we must look to the front That store is what customers get the service, he eat with the whole atmosphere has not met their demands.
Moderator: You also said that the understanding of these children, these children may be inside the decade that we Some universities have just said that children are the future brighter for children, AIDS orphans on the other hand the whole group from my point of view there have been some interviews with the differentiation, another group of children for various reasons they may be, objective factors or family background, parental death a number of factors, some children may drop out of school. in the face of these children drop out of school if the process of the Chi Heng has also done a lot of work to make it, let them return to school, how do you view the past few years child drop-outs, how to change the status quo?
Du Cong: I think you just said differentiation process, done a lot of issues with AIDS, AIDS orphans are also experienced in this population has traditionally been regarded as a group being discriminated against and socially disadvantaged minority groups, their path is also very easy to take the polarization by a lot of pressure. I remember I had a Chinese international students to go to the United States, I now say that two to three decades ago, when Chinese students in the United States less than it is now. I see some Chinese students have some very disappointing to know that they are minority, hard to read the mainstream of white society than people twice as hard to take a university to is very competitive work, or study 也好. but there are a few people give up on themselves feel that they can not integrate into the mainstream society, the mainstream social discrimination, low self-esteem sub-party distribution, go astray.
all the minorities in the large community Yes, I am not saying the mainstream will not be very good white, not the way to go triad, but a minority may take a high percentage of polarization. In African-American population, Hispanic population is the same , in Chinese tradition of discrimination among AIDS orphans so slowly You differentiation. a group of children is still very competitive and more than an ordinary children's book live up to expectations, but there are a group of low self-esteem, feeling discriminated against his neighbors, students, etc. discrimination against him , so the bad guys, the two brothers in a jail in a university, how many such cases? also why the results of a family out of so much difference? with them a relationship of my personality, but also with the social environment is very relationship. So we are very worried, and now a high school dropout rates, AIDS orphans are not the problem, but the whole big problem. many families in rural areas even now, many teachers do not teach children to read, and your performance is not good, as soon as possible out to work, not only to encourage children to stay in school instead of working them out. In the past rural people feel that they are hard to study for university knowledge is not longing, but that college graduates earn more money.
Moderator : lure them to work more, earn money faster.
Du Cong: Students for them the return on investment, graduation can not find work, not very high returns, as early out, they are always very realistic Of course, we hope the children to university.
Moderator: they have real economic difficulties.
Du Cong: We hope they have better education to university and do a better person. even if money is not will be a lot. I asked myself myself, my parents gave me a lot of love, but today I thought, my idea is in many ways came from the school. So I think a person's education can really change a person's life, not to make a little extra money to school. and I saw a lot of people high incidence of AIDS, and our aim is to hope that they do not repeat their parents through education, disaster, the fate of their parents, why their parents died, they become an orphan ? It is because of ignorance of their parents sold their blood then why sell blood? poverty coupled with ignorance. There is also a child I do the first few visits, the children Jidu school, at home after the full blown, and his father brought a lot of home made explosives, firecrackers, but also ignorance, the results have been killed, is to make money. but he is the father of AIDS itself, and in medicine. Why did a decade ago to sell blood? also because poverty, but also because of ignorance. but got AIDS later die of AIDS fried him, because he continues to remain poor because of the ignorance so he brought home a lot of explosives, the results of AIDS did not kill him, the result of explosives to his deep-fried death, and the whole family have been blown up. AIDS has anything to do with explosives? causes or poverty and ignorance. even if a person is poor, but if it is not an educated man to go home will receive a lot of explosives so ignorant. If you want to break this fate, so that these children have a better life, education is the most important to them. Now the atmosphere a lot of people do not see this result, many children are a large number of out of school. This is not AIDS orphans , I went to the countryside, this years junior high school drop-out rate is very high, the Government's welfare to the middle school is getting better, in addition to tuition-free, there are two exemptions and one subsidy policy, the help they received more and more but did not keep them in school instead of out, not graduating from junior high school work more and more. This is also the problem of the whole country, and if this continues, then more and more rural population with low education levels will continue to maintain a process very low status, they can change their own destiny, the people inside the city will be increasing the level of knowledge, the gap is growing.
Moderator: I'm in the interview, when these AIDS orphans find another phenomenon , gives the impression that most of these children are more introverted personality, and you talk in depth with them and found their hearts seem to brewing a lot of negative emotions, more or less some children may have some psychological problems, and feeling depressed for a very long time. Do you think for these AIDS orphans is due to psychological problems caused by what causes it?
Du Cong: Because they see their parents at a very early age without dignity is not enough death under drug treatment, a ten-year-old child if the environment is very poor in the rural countryside, watching their parents have AIDS, was helpless helplessly watch their parents die, and not a few seconds, the earthquake death, even after the onset of activities in 2012 am in pain, without dignity, it is not enough under the circumstances of medical treatment of death, there may be many complications, radiation, have a fever, a type of herpes symptoms, fever and so on. I have experienced the AIDS crisis in the United States, see many people died because of AIDS, I took the experience of facing death came to the face of AIDS in rural China, and I could not just go once or twice a month for a few days up to two weeks.
Moderator: You would have an impact on you?
Du Cong: Also a great impact on me. These kids have to face this every day, but these are not my relatives, I also deeply impressed by this tragedy. < br> Host: do you have nightmares?
Du Cong: I would have nightmares, can not sleep, often cause great distress to their own. But in fact these children and their parents, they are just old eight years old, can not psychologically affected? for I have experienced a lot of experience of AIDS is not I see my relatives also have an impact on me every day to see their parents there, so.
Moderator: and he is very weak, In this situation the child would like to help them, but do not know what can?
Du Cong: When the parents left, we get the final leg of the parents can give them to drink soup, send them to a good one hospitals, not necessarily parents feel better, but we feel better, do a responsibility to do their children, but these kids do not even have this opportunity, it is very lonely so helpless watching this happen.
Moderator: I have heard you say, families of three generations of eight people, in addition to other children who are AIDS, and only she is healthy.
Du Cong: Yes, you can also see this girl, grandfather, grandmother, father and mother, After the death of her mother married a new stepmother, her brother, a sister, three generations of eight people in addition to her own without AIDS, the other has AIDS. And she watched the family who own one by one death. This children may grow up what will be the mental state, you can imagine. They have a very very lonely introvert, a very sad, a very angry, very hostile to society, and self-confidence so low all the psychological phenomena are to be understood. Also there is discrimination against them in this world, and sometimes that comes from discrimination from neighbors and even relatives, classmates, or teachers, because some people are very superstitious rural areas, felt that their parents died, must be the the fault of the child, the child was dead black parents brought the child is born bad luck, life is not good. The results child was turned into the cause of death of parents, some relatives are not necessarily good for them.
Moderator : have some psychological problems are not surprising.
Du Cong: and neighbors know that they do not have AIDS, are not afraid of them infected, but the conservative thinking is that this child is to bring bad luck or bad thing neighbor's kids do not play with them, there are such cases.
Moderator: AIDS orphans in an interview last year, had met in high school when the boy was just a village in Anhui Premier Wen to visit the orphans, he is The only answer to the Prime Minister at the scene dare to ask questions of the child, the child also received the Chi Heng Foundation. I interviewed him, he told me that, in fact, the village with which they grew up with him to have another child, the child after the parents die of AIDS had left him a man, his character began to pale. He often went to the game room as thugs who earn a little place a little money, then more and more mistakes, assault, and finally caught was sentenced to five years into the sentence. with the village children before the accident I said this went to high school kids have seen him, so you can not persuade slapstick is very dangerous, you should give up violence and return to society. classmate told him that that the time is too late, because I could not have complete control of my own behavior. because I have too much hatred in my heart, there is no way they hate free. heard these words, I interviewed the child in high school, he do not feel particularly strange, because he had had the same experience, he had the heart but also with the boys hit the same sentence has a lot of hatred, but he told me that the reason he is still standing in front of Premier Wen answer his question, but also for their future full of hope, because he felt he was growing up in the many enthusiasts in society stranger gave him a lot of concern when he was with them, He felt that society does not have forgotten him, care for them in this process of care by strangers he released his own hatred. From this perspective, these psychological problems, violent or have children, what methods can really help They?
Du Cong: So we have always stressed that we do not just give money to fund their study of institutions, we emphasize a humanistic care, give them a lot of time in the process of despair, some people can give them a loving, even if it is a hope for them is also very important, I remember Sister Rand said a word, the world's largest poverty is not sad that he felt no sorrow, no survival value of your existence is no one to , and no one loves you. I think this is what we want to give kids a message, expressed with them, even if their parents because of AIDS leave, even if they are a lot of discrimination, even under great psychological blow, but do not fear, or that someone cares in this world, and human there is hope, and love. I've been to a family, their parents also have been in 2002 when 04 years have now died, the family house after their deaths to fall down can not live there after the flood, they are only a very small two to three meters multiplied by two to three meters before the small room to do the kitchen. I first went home to do home visits when he was surprised, two to three meters multiplied by two three meters of the house, two brothers, my brother dropped out of school to work on the outside, but he could not bear to drop my brother, so he can not go too far the work can not go to the county, the county is 50 kilometers so far, this is very remote rural areas. can only work in the town from the rural fifty-six km, working back and forth to the county can not take care of his younger brother too far. But I see such a small room messy, very chaotic environment, nothing, no water no electricity, no heat of course, dark night. I see a child, a twelve-year-old child, his brother beaten outside work, two to three meters in his fifth child inside, dark, dark, no cold water, no electricity so he can stick to live under the situation, but I feel most deeply is so messy that he was breaking inside a house in a very shiny Statue, I said why have this concept of audio and video? he is picked up from a neighbor. Why here? want to have a better life. in such a predicament which a thirteen-year-old has not given up their own, no social life did not disappoint, but also have a little hope, I feel too great, so I think we should also follow these children learn. Then of course we have to help him continue his studies, which now also learn skills in a technical school. But I think these kids that I admire the strong.
chair by: you said the brothers then I provide you with clues based on seeing them, which you just mentioned the fact that he is very loving brother, the sounds, because he had himself refused to go away in order to take care of his younger brother, and He earned the money in accumulated fees to his brother to do, he has been insisting that his younger brother to stay in school, but because he had some back in the community wandering hooligans after mixing with them, and later began dyeing blond hair starting to do some sneaky things.
Du Cong: also taught a few bad friends.
Moderator: He had a very good baby is good to know to take care of his younger brother, because he was not in possession him, no one cares about him, and he began to embark on a crooked road. is such a child, his younger brother almost followed in his brother almost told him to do bad things to learn, poor academic performance, the whole people do not go to school, and later thanks You find a way for him to let him read the technical school.
Du Cong: After reading technical school do not know if you have not followed up this matter.
Moderator: before he went to work too, right? how he later like it?
Du Cong: An Introduction to find a black factory in Zhejiang, and then he locked up with a few students, let them go and become a slave, not wages, work is in there every day for a long time, because the factory there was a kind person who told them that it is a black factory, you do not expect to go out. I do not know the consequences of how, now a bit of a conscience secretly let them go, they tried to escape, they go out to the police station to call at the police station to the office for help in our region, we send your money to let the police take him to the car to bring him back to his hometown, and we continue to read to him. I was in would like to, if not us, what results they will be. the number of such children may be in the black kilns, coal mines were abused in the dark, the future is very dark. While we see some very good showing of the child. ..
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